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#103000 Better Than Ever

Posted by yogib8 on 11 November 2017 - 10:00 PM

I joined Mets Paradise early in 2013 when the CBS Community was shut down.   CBS was a goliath in sports with lateral access to all 30 teams and although the Mets board was the most active every board had it's well versed fans. 


I know because I ran MLB wide polls posing the same questions across the spectrum and then reporting back the results.  I even became accepted on the Phillies board as opposed as being regarded as a troll.


I also was an active participant in a trading game in which each player had to select a Plus team to build into a winner and a minus team that had to rebuild.   This was also spectrum wide and built a trust across all 30 teams members.


I also wrote a blog with 600+ followers. 


When CBS shut down that aspect of their empire I remained in contact with a number of my fellow Mets posters including FANG and thomasam, who joined me in joining MP....all though I dipped my toes in the MSG and Pro Sports Daily waters for a period.   Two other CBS contacts now play in my CBS league.


I stayed with MP because while smaller than CBS  the knowledge level of the members Saxon, mjjm, brian, West Coast, MFO  was challenging.  Today with the addition of Canadian Mets Fan, jeff, Thor and NYMets5 Mets Paradise is Better Than Ever





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#99572 Yoenis Cespedes - The Overrated Met

Posted by METS FANG on 23 September 2016 - 10:45 AM

I think your basis is flawed on two HUGE points:


Flaw 1:  Your numbers are cut to specifically include the injured period in the downturn delivers a flawed story line.  Season should be broken into three distinctive parts.


1)  Pre Injury:  April - July 7th: Hitting .303/.373/.585/.958 w/ 21 dingers in in 287 AB (translates to 40-45 HR in a full season)


2)  Injured July 8th - finally put on DL August 4th:  a month in which he hit .200/.296/.311/.607 w/ 1 HR 


3)  August 19th - Current:  Returned from the DL hit .282/.344/.538/.882 with 8 dingers in 117 AB (translated to 35-40 HR in a full season)


Flaw 2:  Trade history isn't always a reflection on player:


1)  A's traded when in 1st but needed pitching, so trade STAR for STAR Jon Lester.

2)  Sox traded him  when looking at a projected 2015 starters of Bucholtz (off bad year) Lester (gone) Lackey (gone) Peavy (gone) and they needed an established starter.  Rick Porcello was coming off a great year so it was talent for talent.

3)  Detroit traded when they were all but eliminated from post season play, were staring into a ridiculous walk year resign-ability clause (we know it well) and were actively considered interested in his services for 2016 and beyond.


So yea, 4 teams in 4 years isn't the end all be all.  Matt Holliday was on 3 teams in 2 years, in hindsight, does that make Jason Bay the better player to sign in 2008?

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#96158 David Wright - Career Highs

Posted by LGNYM on 28 April 2016 - 10:05 PM

what's weird about DW's splits, is that he's doing great with the bases empty, but coming up empty when there are men on base so far:


"None on": .361; .425; .694; 1.119;

"runners on": .091; .250; .121; .371;


8 of his 9 XBH's have come when nobody is on base; with only 1 double with men on base;


IMO, that sounds like a #8 hitter at least vs RHP...he still hits LHP fine, but he rarely faces LHP though


when you look at Wright's and Duda's splits; it appears that they should almost be platooning with each other since Duda is hitting .100 vs LHP and Wright is hitting .207 vs RHP...only problem is, Flo's bats haven't shown up from St Lucie yet


I think some of that runners on/off stuff is also the timing of things.


Wright and Granderson have had alternating hot and cold streaks.  DW did pretty well the first couple weeks, but Grandy got off to a horrible start - started 1 for 24 and 7 for 49.   So with Grandy, and the pitchers spot, and TDA (who was really struggling) hitting 8th, Wright didn't have very many AB with RISP/runners on over the first few weeks when he was swinging the bat well.   Around the time Granderson got going, Wright started slumping - and was getting the AB with RISP while he was in the midst of the 3 for 28 slump

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#89114 Braves - Why A New Stadium?

Posted by METS FANG on 26 October 2015 - 07:06 PM

From the mouths of 15 year olds comes wisdom.

lol - we should all be so wise :)



Why did you made this post, aside from possibly trolling us?

My hero :)


I'll defend Yogi here and give Eagle a little back story. I hope you hang around, and if you do, you'll see this for yourself, many here are passionate and often speak very much from the heart.  Yogi is far from a troll.  He's a loyal Mets fan and a solid contributor.  You'll see that many here have similar passion with very different views on whats best for the franchise.  Sometimes those different views lead to strong conversations, and sometimes those strong conversations lead to people getting irritated.  


Yogi and I go way back, 5+ years migrating to this board and a different message board.  For the most part, Yogi and I get along very amicably.  In another pair of threads (Murphy/Cespedes - long winded, prob not worth the time to read) we definitely didn't see eye to eye and I think I've offended Yogi.  I take the above as a reactionary post lost in the moment, and I'm sure we'll be back on good terms shortly.  I've defended myself and take no long term offense from it.


Like any group that spends too much time together, fights will happen.  Some resolve, others not so much, but the board keeps turning.  But I do welcome the fresh eyes, so please, stay, get into it, sometime get overly heated, and most of all, talk mets.



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#68980 Wilmer Flores - In With Some HoF Short Stops

Posted by ShakeShack5 on 24 July 2014 - 02:59 PM

No such luck, Nieuwenhuis goes down

Unbelievable. This organization is so frustrating at times. Nieuwenhuis is one of our top 3 or 4 OFs right now. He needs to play everyday in LF for the time being.

Chris Young is a complete waste. That little spurt he had vs. Oakland was a mirage and the worst thing that could have happened. We did not even need those HRs to win those games. I have no idea why he continues to get playing time at this point. He should be released.

Im also tired of looking at Bobby Abreu. What is Abreu now, like 2 for 30 as a PH? Collins continues to pretend Abreu is a key left handed bat off the bench. He clearly is not. He is also a huge liability when placed in the OF as a starter. Abreu is of no use to this team.

There are two options that would have been much better than sending Nieuwenhuis back down. Granderson, Lagares, Kirk, and EY make a fine 4 man outfield. Campbell can also play a corner OF position in a pinch. Keeping Chris Young and Abreu is ridiculous.
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#103408 2017/18 Mets Hot Stove - Are All Holes Fill?

Posted by mjjm367 on 05 January 2018 - 06:10 PM

Gomez is intriguing Jeff.  He's gotten no mentions anywhere this offseason but he actually was pretty good in 2017, albeit playing in a good hitters park for his home games.  105 games he slashed .255/.340/462 - .802 OPS with 17 HR and 13 SB.


Might want to be careful about his home/away splits.  Here is 2017...


Home - 50 G, 204 PA, .298/.366/.573/.939, 12 HR, sOPS+ 142 (where 100 is league average).

Away - 54 G, 222 PA, .216/.317/.358/.675,  5 HR, sOPS+ 86 (again, 100 is league average)


(sOPS+ - OPS+ of this split relative to the major league OPS for this split)


​Lagares 2017 stats... (included Home & Away to be fair)


​2017   - 94 G, 272 PA, .250/.296/.365/.661, 3 HR, OPS+ 75

​Home - ​50 G​​, 129 PA, .237/.289/.331/.620 2 HR, sOPS+ 63

​Away - 44 G, 143 PA, .239/.284/.340/.624, 1 HR sOPS+ 91


Nimmo 2017 stats...


2017   - 69 G, 215 PA, .260/.379/.418/.797, 5 HR, OPS+ 112

Home - 31 G, 94 PA, .304/.387/.532/.919, 3 HR, sOPS+ 139

​Away - 38 G, 121 PA, .224/.372/.327/.698 2 HR, sOPS+ 96


Take Gomez out of the hitter's park at Arlington and yuck (yuck is a technical term that means crap in polite society).  So unless you are taking the park along with him, why do we want him?  He is no upgrade.  The money would be better spent elsewhere.  Or even if you are not spending it elsewhere, why would you want to sign him?


Based on the above numbers, of the 3, I take Nimmo, with Lagares on the bench for defense/LHP.

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#103192 Random Off-Season Thoughts: 2017/18

Posted by NYMet5 on 15 December 2017 - 04:52 PM

That is one of the best, to the point summaries, of the Wilpons and Sandy, Saxon.  That's why I have so much dislike for the ownership group and dont care for Sandy either.


Its such a shame.  A 1-2 pitching punch like Syndergaard and deGrom dont come around too often.  Young, elite and playoff proven.  A sane interested ownership group would try and get them as many post season shots as they could.  All you need is to add about $40M worth of smart FA signings in the from of 4-5 new players to this current group to change them from "hoping for meaningful games" to "should win 90+".  Its really not that much.

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#103006 2018 Pitching Staff - The New Plan

Posted by mjjm367 on 12 November 2017 - 12:02 PM

I'm seriously wondering if an 8 man bullpen means the end (trade or demotion) of Dom Smith (all this is predicated on the roster size remaining at 25).  Your active roster breaks down as follows...


5 - Starters (for both starters and relievers, the 10 day DL essentially works as a taxi squad)

8 - Relievers

8 - Starting Fielders

4 - Bench - catcher, middle IF, OF, Corner IF/OF


IF Scenarios...


---Mets get a 2B or 3B - then Cabrera plays the other spot, and can back up SS when Rosario needs a rest.  Flores can also handle 2B, 3B, 1B, and SS in an emergency.

---Mets get neither a 2B or 3B - Cabrera and Flores man the positions, and the Mets get a backup MIF than can cover SS (please don't say Reyes).  This means the biggest upgrade happens in the OF.

---Mets get both a 2B and 3B - far fetched, leaves too many holes elsewhere to make sense.


Need a 4th OF, one that can cover CF.  Lagares or Nimmo.  As much as it pains me to say this, it might make sense to go with Nimmo, and trade Lagares (damn you mjjm, shut your mouth).  Although Lagares' defense in CF is all world, he has 3 strikes against him (those who know me well realize that my poor pun is totally intentional).  He is injured too often (granted, giving his all on OF plays), makes $15.5M over the next 2 years (coincidentally, $6.5M in 2018, what Cabrera cost us) and isn't out producing Nimmo offensively (who makes about $600K).  2017 stats...


Lagares - 272 PAs, .250/.296/.365/.661, 16 2Bs, 2 HRs, 14 BB, 56 Ks, 7 of 10 SBs

Nimmo - 215 PAs, .260/.379/.418/.797, 11 2Bs, 5 HRs, 33 BBs, 60 Ks, 2 of 2 SBs


Remove the names, and offensively, you take Nimmo here.  Is Lagares defense worth the extra $6M this year and $8.5M next year?  Trading Lagares frees up salary for upgrades elsewhere.  I realize the uncertainty surrounding Conforto, but trading Lagares is more of an off season move.  


Finally, last spot on the bench - need a 5th OF, who can also cover 1B at a minimum (3B also would be nice, but not required).  Not too hard to find, there are multiple options on the market.


What seems to be a theme here is positional flexibility.  There are 10 non-catcher fielders on the roster.  All can cover multiple positions (Rosario at SS anytime he is on the field).  Except Dom Smith.  Don't get me wrong, I like the kid, and am not at all put off by his struggles last season.  Look at Mike Trout's rookie late season callup.  And I'm not too worried about the weight.  Smith didn't seem to have an attitude, and the proper nutrition light bulb goes on for many athletes when they make the big show.  


I just don't see how we keep him on the team currently and let his development continue at the big league level.  We are already in the same developmental boat with Rosario, and SS is a far harder position to fill than 1B.  I don't see us as strong enough to field 2 developing starting fielders.  Flores can easily hold the position down.  That leaves Smith at AAA or a trade chip (gotta give to get).

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#102729 David Wright - The Comeback That Never Happen

Posted by METS FANG on 09 October 2017 - 12:39 PM

MJJM, I agree with everything you say, BUT we are at that point where the Mets have given him the time to wrap his head around it.  They have been more than accommodating.  


3 years he's been working through this, with an accommodating Mets FO saving his spot on the field and never talking retirement.  In that time, Wright has had countless surgeries, rehabs, special programs, special stretching, extra schedule days off, no pinch hitting, no day/night games, etc etc etc.  Mets have been on board all the way.  After 3 years of 38, 37, 0 games respectively, you arrive at the point where everyone needs to sit down and have tough conversations.  


It's time for Wright to go off into the sunset with articles praising his talent and lamenting a terrible situation being written.  Keep this up for two more years, the tone of those articles are going to be VERY very different.  By the end, he won't be remembered fondly as captain america.  He's going to go down as the guy who drained the mets resources blocking their chances at a championship...


He has absolutely earned the time to fight through this and to the time to eventually come to terms, and the Mets have honored that.  Now its time to sit him down and say we feel you, we love you, we still want you here, but it can't be as a player...

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#96382 Bartolo Colon - Gets His First Career Home Run

Posted by Saxon on 08 May 2016 - 08:50 AM

plus what kind of an example does he set for this young pitching staff?


here's a guy that once had dominant stuff, and was as wild as any young pitcher (age 27 season had 98 walks in only 188 innings, but also won 15 games while striking out 212 batters with an AL ERA of 3.88)...who now at almost 43 years old, has one pitch which mostly sits around 89 mph, and can still get batters out because of impeccable control and movement on his pitches...plus, he fields his position as well as any pitcher, and is not afraid to let his team's defense do their job...you never see him get mad/frustrated; always seems like he's a kid enjoying the game, and when he needs to, can still reach back for something special to get a strikeout when needed or induce a ground out  

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#95720 David Wright - Career Highs

Posted by METS FANG on 19 April 2016 - 09:32 AM

I think its amazing seeing Beltran name keep popping up on all these mets lists, and still have the haters out there due to 1 magnified AB.

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#64794 Chase d'Arnaud - A Cheap Option for Shortstop?

Posted by Saxon on 28 February 2014 - 12:04 AM

Texas plays in a ballpark that has a jetstream. That adds to HR totals. Overlaying the two stadiums doesn't tell the whole story. A ball that travels 390 feet to LF in Arlington might only travel 370 at Citi. That's the difference between a HR and an out.

not just the jetstream, but also the heat/humidity of Texas helps the ball carry better than the cold/damp nights of Citi Field with the breezes blowing in "at sea level" from the Long Island Sound (or whatever the large water source is next to Citifield)...




Weather has an important influence on how a baseball travels when it is hit. Air pressure, wind, temperature and humidity are important to note.

Air pressure: Air pressure depends on the elevation of a region and the current weather. Air pressure is usually the most important factor in determining how far a baseball will travel in the air when hit, all else being equal. At higher elevations, air has a lower density. When the air density is lower, baseballs can travel further. Air rubbing against a baseball produces a frictional force. The lower the air density, the smaller this frictional force becomes. Air density also changes depending on whether high pressure or low pressure weather is influencing the region.

Wind: Wind either amplifies or reduces the amount of friction the baseball experiences during flight. Air flowing toward the baseball in flight acts as a force to slow the forward motion. This slows the ball down and reduces its flight path. Wind flowing with the baseball helps it fly longer distances.

Temperature: When air warms, it expands. This warming and expansion lowers the density of the air. This produces longer flight distances, all else being basically equal.

Humidity: At the same temperature, air with a higher dewpoint will be less dense. Click here for an explanation of why this is. At a higher humidity, baseballs will travel a little further, all else being equal.

Optimum for long baseball hits: high elevation, wind blowing out, warm and humid air mass (think Texas at 604 feet above Sea Level in constant 90+ degree heat);
Minimization for long baseball hits: low elevation, wind blowing in, cold and dry air mass(think Queens/LI at 11 feet above Sea Level)

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#57260 Can't wait to start posting again!

Posted by thomasam on 13 August 2013 - 04:06 PM

Hey fellow Met fans! I joined Mets Paradise back in April but thanks to work and getting married in June I've been out of the posting loop. It's been a crazy summer. Of course it's also been a crazy summer for our Mets too, and in mostly good ways when it comes to young talent and looking toward the future.

I was a super-regular on the old CBS boards since about 2007 until they abruptly shut it down. It got to the point where you knew half of the posters really well, and I'm hoping these boards will have the same sense of community. Two old CBS friends are here already for sure (and there might be more, I don't know): NYFANG and Yogi. Great, knowledgeable posters that helped to convince me to decide on Mets Paradise.

I've been a Mets fan for as far back as I can remember, but I usually peg it at 1977 because that's the earliest I can actually recall games. It's also the first year we collected baseball cards and did all of the stuff a kid that's a baseball fan does. My earliest pure game memory was a fireworks game where there was an insane storm that postponed the show. The only time I actually cried when someone I didn't know died was when Murph left us. I missed the last game at Shea but was at the first game at Citi--in the last row of the upper deck so maybe just barely there.

My favorite Met of all time is Mookie, and in recent years I was a huge Beltran fan. I'll always be a pitching-first fan overall though and I can't wait for this new rotation to finally take hold. This has been the most exciting year since 2006 and 2007, and I can't wait for the future and many happy recaps!
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#103737 Random Off-Season Thoughts: 2017/18

Posted by West Coast Mets Fan on 16 February 2018 - 02:27 PM

Yogi, I agree. It seems like for the first time in a while they addressed every hole or question mark. No glamour moves but solid cost-effective deals. The infield defense has been addressed. I would like to see a lefty in the pen so that Blevins doesn't require that ground-breaking arm surgery we have discussed.


After all my negative ranting earlier in the off-season, I am pleasantly surprised at how it ended. Now if we can find that magic potion to keep everyone healthy, especially the pitching......

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#103088 2017/18 Mets Hot Stove - Are All Holes Fill?

Posted by METS FANG on 22 November 2017 - 01:32 PM

Fantastic post.

I use MJJM's post but direct it at NYM5 response :)


Comparing Stanton's 13 year deal to Cespedes 3 year deal is just silly. There's a premium to pay for reduced risk signings.


I agree with his Bruce point as well.  The price was right, and I thought for sure they'd be able to flip him.  Turns out with Ces/Conforto/Lags/Duda all missing time, we ended up needing his bat so it ended up as money well spent.


Walker:  hindsight is 20-20.  I was surprised he took the QO, but same idea.  1 year deals are lower risk for the team so they come with a higher AAV.  Whats could the savings there been anyway?  A 2B of similar skills minimum 12M?  So we're talking ~5M premium to not be stuck with Walker in case this injury thing becomes chronic.


I was a big fan of our SP, BP and OF starters and depth to start the season.  The IF was the only area of concern, and you can't be perfect everywhere.  Shit hit the fan in all three of those areas early and often.  This wasn't about off-season moves, this was about injuries and under-performance.

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#102869 Random Season Thoughts: 2017

Posted by sg34Thor on 22 October 2017 - 07:28 PM

Born and brought up in Bklyn

Went to games at Ebbets Field

Deserted by Satan O'Malley in 1957

If the Yankees had won I would have no choices between the 2 franchises I loathe the most.

As it turned out tho

Go 'Stros

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#102800 2017/18 Mets Hot Stove - Are All Holes Fill?

Posted by Saxon on 16 October 2017 - 07:07 AM

their agenda is to be somewhere in the middle between Steinbrenner's Yanks and Jeter's Marlins...make it appear that you want "meaningful games in September" while acting like a mid market team...

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#102685 David Wright - The Comeback That Never Happen

Posted by mjjm367 on 05 October 2017 - 06:43 PM

Can't just look at him and say "Give it up David".  (Obviously more diplomatically).  He has to reach that decision himself.  And has earned the right to.  And is willing to put the work in.  


That being said, I sincerely doubt he will ever be healthy enough to play again (sadly).  He had another back surgery today.




To put it in a little bit of perspective.  I'm turning 60 in about 8 weeks.  Like every other person, I feel the gradual creep of age.  And that gradual creep, little by little, takes away what you were able to do 10, 20 and 30 years ago.  Baseball players playing "lifespan" is much shorter, and I have yet to see one who didn't scratch and claw for every last day.


Now add medical issues to that.  In my case, I have cardiac stents.  The one restriction that puts on me is the amount of weight I can lift.  My endurance is completely unaffected by that.  (My pot belly, on the other hand...)  But I used to do stuff like manhandle the couch, or one of the appliances by myself.  Now, I can't.  Well, I can, but I risk dislodging a stent.  (Damnit, what do you mean "I can't."  Bullshit!!!!  Watch me.)  ​Thankfully, at that point my wife would talk some sense into me.  A much harder task than you could imagine.  David's spinal issues and shoulder are his "stents".


David has been the best player on the field for his entire life growing up.  And even when he reached the majors, where everyone was the best player growing up, David was elite.  An All-Star.  Barring injuries, a Hall of Fame candidate.  Captain "Freakin" America.


I am very comfortable with letting a player who has earned my respect, one of the good guys, taking the time he needs to get OK with this.  As I'm sure we all are.

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#102614 2018 Catching: What's the Situation?

Posted by brian stark on 27 September 2017 - 01:42 PM

So, I'm (and probably most of you, too) already thinking about what the team will do to improve for 2018.


One thing that ALWAYS gets brought up is the Catcher's position.


So, here's my personal analysis, take it like you want.


League average catcher production (straight from ESPN):


At Bats: 569

Hits: 142

Runs: 65

Home Runs: 20

RBI: 73

Average: .249

OBP: .319

SLG: .413


The tandem of Plawecki and d'Arnaud have given us:


AB: 430

H: 106

R: 48

HR: 19

RBI: 67

AVG: .247

OBP: .304

SLG: .440


Surprisingly, the Mets are listed as the #1 tem in catcher's defense by ESPN. That only takes into account the VASTLY flawed fielding percentage, however. But, looking at the CS rate, they are a tick below average, even with the so called  "No d" behind the plate most of the time.


I've said before, I'll say again, the vast amount of the blame for the low CS rate should be laid at the feet of a HORRIBLE job of holding runners on by the pitching staff, particularly the starters.


Looking objectively, the Mets have actually received average to above average production from the catcher's spot this year., both offensively and defensively.


Despite all the hullabaloo that "we need to bring in Weiters" or "we need to get Lucroy" or the ever popular "we need to get a better catcher (without naming said available catcher to get)" the fact of the matter is that we have no reason really to get down on the catchers we have. It's actually an area of lesser concern to me, frankly.



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#102074 David Wright - His Future

Posted by Canada Mets Fan on 14 July 2017 - 08:38 AM

Love DW. He has been such a great player and ambassador for the club over the years. Has he ever had a misstep off the field? For those of us who have followed the team for a long time, The Captain was a godsend, an excellent player who did everything the right way and said the right things, it seemed as of the baseball gods had thrown us a bone after all the clowns this team has employed over the years. He was on the road to Cooperstown as a homegrown, lifelong Met.


I have only ever owned one MLB player jersey, and it's DW's black jersey.


Whatever he wants to do in terms of his baseball future is okay with me.

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