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@  Saxon : (29 Sep 2016 - 15:05)

yogi:

 

The difference AL-NL is microscopic

small sample size...and not taking into account games only played in NL parks vs games only played in AL parks (why is that not an available split?)...Just about any other year that I can view one at a time, there is a larger differential between NL and AL...particularly when you get to the playoffs

@  Saxon : (29 Sep 2016 - 14:58)

yogi:

 

The DH is more than 40 years old, and while I am not pro DH, I am less opposed now as to when it was used to house the old slow slugger who was to inept to play a field position. Today it is often used to keep players in the lineup while giving them an easier day....Posey, i.e. or to keep a young player's bat who is blocked at his position. The DH could be used to nurse Cabrera through his injury with Reynolds playing SS, or Duda until he is able to play 1B.

agreed as well...

@  West Coast M... : (29 Sep 2016 - 14:58)

I hate off days.

@  Saxon : (29 Sep 2016 - 14:57)

plus how many times have they changed the height of the mound, and changed what is a strike (some times low, some times high, sometimes the black of the plate, and sometimes not, and in the case of the Braves pitchers: sometimes the on-deck circle)...and they have changed what a check swing is, and what a balk is, cripes now you can't even fake to 3rd without it being called a balk because some runners on first bought the fake like idiots

@  Saxon : (29 Sep 2016 - 14:55)

CanFan:

 

I think MLB should just either adopt it or drop it. I do think it favors the AL in the WS as they have a regular contributing bat all season ready to go who's typically a bopper, while NL teams have to use a bench or platoon player in that role.

Saxon: totally agree...this split crap leaves the NL at a severe disadvantage. and while the purists (the same ones that accept more than a 4 man rotation, an over-reliance on the bullpen, instant replay, batting helmets with ear flaps, hockey masks by catchers and neck flaps to protect from getting Steve Yeager'd in the neck with a bat shard, 3 divisional leagues, 2 wild cards, and inter-league play) may want to totally abolish the DH, it's NEVER EVER EVER GOING TO HAPPEN (according to Taylor Swift, at least)

@  Drucifer : (29 Sep 2016 - 14:23)

:philliesmini: :st: :Posted: - I expect changes on the :Mets: - Why the :philliesmini: can't figure out who's pitching is damn silly in my opinion.

@  yogib8 : (29 Sep 2016 - 14:23)

The difference AL-NL is microscopic AL- ERA 4.22, NL 4.17 AL ER 660, NL ER 654. That is one run per month per team advantage. The DH is more than 40 years old, and while I am not pro DH, I am less opposed now as to when it was used to house the old slow slugger who was to inept to play a field position. Today it is often used to keep players in the lineup while giving them an easier day....Posey, i.e. or to keep a young player's bat who is blocked at his position. The DH could be used to nurse Cabrera through his injury with Reynolds playing SS, or Duda until he is able to play 1B.

@  brian stark : (29 Sep 2016 - 14:03)

DH is an abomination.

@  Canada Mets Fan : (29 Sep 2016 - 13:54)

I don't hate it or love it but I think MLB should just either adopt it or drop it. I do think it favors the AL in the WS as they have a regular contributing bat all season ready to go who's typically a bopper, while NL teams have to use a bench or platoon player in that role.

@  West Coast M... : (29 Sep 2016 - 13:54)

If they do anything to fix the issue it should be to nix the DH, not the other way around. Nothing like having a bunch of has been to hang around simply because the can hit the ball but can't run and the only use they have for a glove is to keep one hand warm.

@  West Coast M... : (29 Sep 2016 - 13:52)

I'm with Brian, I hate the DH.

@  Canada Mets Fan : (29 Sep 2016 - 13:43)

Like Bruce, who's a DH-in-waiting?????

@  Saxon : (29 Sep 2016 - 13:15)

you hear about the batters prolonging their careers by going to the AL where they can DH several times a year...but pitchers do the reverse, jumping to the NL where they can survive longer with deteriorating stuff

@  Saxon : (29 Sep 2016 - 13:13)

Agreed CanFan...and I think that a lot of AL pitchers seek refuge in the NL as they get older because they only have to "dial it up" a few times a game

@  Canada Mets Fan : (29 Sep 2016 - 12:59)

There are other examples but Dickey pops to mind and just about causes a Jays' fan to suffer cardiac arrest.

@  Canada Mets Fan : (29 Sep 2016 - 12:58)

Sax, I agree with you on the AL/NL thing. Just look at any pitcher who have gone from NL to AL and watch their numbers suffer. Look no further than Dickey, for a quick example. He's at best, a .500 pitcher in the AL East and his ERA is 4 or higher every season. I'm not saying one league plays a better brand of baseball than the other, but the AL is much harder on pitchers. Of course, the AL also has some bandbox parks.

@  Drucifer : (29 Sep 2016 - 12:54)

;mets; :stats: & :WC: :updated:

@  Drucifer : (29 Sep 2016 - 12:53)

:goodday:

@  Saxon : (29 Sep 2016 - 12:32)

IMO, a manager should be ejected as soon as a player bunts on a third strike...I hate when I see Terryble do that

@  Saxon : (29 Sep 2016 - 12:30)

but I would imagine that the AL doesn't exploit the candy-ass bunt to the degree that these dinosaur NL managers do

@  Saxon : (29 Sep 2016 - 12:28)

don't know if they track candy-ass sacrifice bunt attempts as well

@  Saxon : (29 Sep 2016 - 12:27)

and almost twice as many intentional walks

@  Saxon : (29 Sep 2016 - 12:27)

yep, I was correct (at least for 2016), more walks/K's/HBP in the NL than AL: http://www.espn.com/...g/type/expanded

@  Saxon : (29 Sep 2016 - 12:25)

I haven't checked, but I would imagine that both the walk ratio and the strike-out ratio are higher in the NL

@  Saxon : (29 Sep 2016 - 12:23)

a pitcher is going to work a NL lineup totally different than an AL lineup...since there usually is only a couple of key hitters in a NL lineup, so you pitch around them to get to the creampuffs (when in a jam)...in the AL, you have 9 innings of facing non-stop hitters so not so much pitching around guys to get to the crap bats

@  Saxon : (29 Sep 2016 - 12:20)

however you want to interpret it...regardless of the interpretation, you can't compare offense or pitching numbers when one league has a 9 hitter offense, and the other is lucky to have a 7 hitter offense on any given day

@  brian stark : (29 Sep 2016 - 12:18)

You mean the National League plays it right, the other plays a contrived, imbalanced, farce.

@  Saxon : (29 Sep 2016 - 12:08)

I find it really hard to compare NL stats with AL stats...one league plays by 21st century rules, the other plays by 19th century rules...so you can't accurately compare the numbers

@  METS FANG : (29 Sep 2016 - 12:05)

yep, 12 NL players with 30+

NL!!! I misread. Those numbers fall more in line with what I was expecting

@  brian stark : (29 Sep 2016 - 11:47)

You can't WIN with just one guy, but you sure can LOSE without one.

@  Saxon : (29 Sep 2016 - 11:37)

IMO it is the trickle down effect...1 guy may not make the team, but he makes the talent around him better...and at the same time, any weakness in a lineup can be exploited as well...

@  West Coast M... : (29 Sep 2016 - 11:30)

I know Yogi says you can't win with just one guy but sometimes one guy does have a major impact on a team and Cespedes is the epitome of that guy.

@  Saxon : (29 Sep 2016 - 11:27)

good analogy brian...Strawberry may not have had stats that said "wow" compared to the rest of the league's top power hitters; but he was the integral key to those mid-80's Mets offense

@  West Coast M... : (29 Sep 2016 - 11:26)

I agree Brian. That is the primary goal of this off-season. The FO should have gotten this done already IMO. Don't even let him sniff FA again.

@  brian stark : (29 Sep 2016 - 11:19)

Cespedes is the proverbial straw that stirs the drink. He is the most important cog in the machine. Keeping him has to be the primary option for the offseason. The ONLY way it is sensible not to keep him is if the number gets ridiculous. I've seen where someone said to expect 7/200. That's ridiculous. 4/100 is probably the minimum.

@  West Coast M... : (29 Sep 2016 - 10:41)

That doesn't minimize what Cabrera, Walker and Reyes have brought to the team but Cespedes is the one bat in the lineup that is feared.

@  West Coast M... : (29 Sep 2016 - 10:40)

Saxon, I agree on Cespedes. We don't go to the WS last year and we would not be in a position for a WC this year without him.

@  Saxon : (29 Sep 2016 - 10:37)

overall 35 MLB players with 30+ with several more with 27+ http://www.espn.com/..._/sort/homeRuns

@  Saxon : (29 Sep 2016 - 10:36)

yep, 12 NL players with 30+ http://www.espn.com/...Runs/order/true

@  METS FANG : (29 Sep 2016 - 10:23)

from all the talk of "the year of the HR" I'd assumed it was much higher

@  METS FANG : (29 Sep 2016 - 10:23)

is it really only 12?

@  Saxon : (29 Sep 2016 - 09:59)

I just realize this morning that out of only 12 NL players having 30+ Homeruns this season, the Mets have 3 of them in their Outfield: Cespedes, Bruce and Grandy

@  Saxon : (29 Sep 2016 - 09:58)

no problem

@  METS FANG : (29 Sep 2016 - 09:56)

thx

@  Saxon : (29 Sep 2016 - 09:51)

sure...I copied and pasted that from a FB post of mine...

@  METS FANG : (29 Sep 2016 - 09:47)

want to throw those number into the thread to potentially foster longer conversation? :)

@  Saxon : (29 Sep 2016 - 09:25)

sorry yogi

@  Saxon : (29 Sep 2016 - 09:24)

Mets are 70-54 when Cespedes starts, and are 15-20 when he does not...and that 70-54 doesn't take into account the games that he played hurt...despite Yogi's thread, this team would be lost without Yoenis

@  Saxon : (29 Sep 2016 - 09:21)

On August 19th, SF Giants were 68-54 and the Mets were 60-62. Mets were well behind the Giants in the Wild Card race after getting clobbered 8-1 by the Giants. This was Yoenis Cespedes first game back from injury. Mets have since gone 22-10 in games that Cespedes has started & are now ahead of the Giants in the top wild card standings...

@  Canada Mets Fan : (29 Sep 2016 - 09:13)

And what TJ has given us too. He has shown a knack for putting the bat on the ball which in this day of strikeouts and home runs, is a neglected skill.


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