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#1 yogib8

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Posted 12 February 2017 - 03:23 PM

The Big Apple was the scene of the return of the power bat at SS in 2016. 

 

Both Cabrera and D. Gregorius reached 20 Hrs., which hadn't been achieved in 11 seasons.  they also both totaled in excess of 50 XBH which hadn't been done since Reyes laid down a 1st inning bunt to close his 2011 season and hadn't happened in the Bronx in a decade.

 

Defensively both AC and Gregorius provided a better dWAR than had been seen in NY in 6 years and that was in the occupied former parking lot of Shea Stadium.

 

IMO, Jeter was a very good player and a consistent cog in a 250 M machine.  His 4 GG and 3 SS were all awarded after the best SS in the AL moved to 3rd base.   The "Captain Clutch" was overstated, his BA with RISP with 2 out was 15 points below his career and the OPS 14 points below.  Both were still very good, but more like Lieutenant Clutch. 



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Posted 13 February 2017 - 11:37 PM

what he said...

 

in short...I've always thought that Derek Jeter was extremely over-rated, and one of the luckiest ballplayers in MLB history...If Ernie Banks and Derek Jeter had swapped careers, would the Cubs drought ended sooner? Would the Yanks of the Mariano Rivera era have won less World Series? yeah, didn't think so either....



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Posted 22 September 2017 - 11:22 AM

Baseball Prospectus put it best a while back.

 

When assessing Derek Jeter's defensive "prowess" they said his nickname should be "Pasta Diving".

 

Meaning that when you listened to the broadcast of Yankee games every day, that's what you heard a lot... "Grounder pasta diving Jeter."

 

His defense was ALWAYS overrated, especially in his gold glove years, of which I would bet that all three should have been given to more deserving candidates, but "The Captain" got them instead.

 

He made a few memorable plays in the field (the dive into the stands against the Sox and the backhand running flip against the A's immediately come to mind), but frankly that to me was more blind squirrel tripping over a nut than defensive acumen. What he was good at was being at the right place in big spots. There's something to be said for that, true, but to think he was some great clutch fielder (say otherwise to a Yankee fan and see how long it takes for the volcano to erupt) is ridiculous.

 

He's a Hall of Fame player, but overrated at the same time. That in and of itself is a difficult combination to pull off.


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Posted 13 October 2017 - 06:10 AM

Appears that he has fast become the third best Pinstriper shortstop behind Phil Rizzuto and now Didi Gregorious.

And fourth best if they had allowed the vastly better ARod to play his natural position at SS

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Posted 21 October 2017 - 11:03 PM

Good news

Yankees Lose
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Posted 29 November 2017 - 03:14 PM

Bruce Sherman and Jeter bought the Marlins for 1.2B after Loria took them out behind the barn and beat their asses and took their lunch money.  

 

According to Forbes the opening day value of the Marlins was 940 M and they were carrying the highest debt in the ML at 22% they were also 29th in revenue and had an operating revenue of -2.2 M.  To say they overpaid is a massive understatement. 

 

Now stuck with a white elephant, where do you go?   Yes, moving a player with a 295 M contract which would take him past his 37th birthday would be job one.   A big hang up is that the player has a full no trade contract.  Got to remember this guy was sitting in the dugout when Loria was shafting Reyes with a contract void of a no-trade clause.  Resulting in a predictable move, Reyes was shipped out of the country to play SS on concrete.

 

An owner - player negotiation requires finesse and diplomacy....Jeter chose to bigfoot Giancarlo by telling him leave or I will trade everyone around you.  

 

Jeter is a minority owner with only a 2% share, so his sweat equity duties might be that of enforcer and organizational : ::ahole:::.  His ego suits the job.

 

Not much that Jeter can do with Wei-Yin Chen who had the misfortune of sticking his elbow in front of a 98 MPH line drive on opening day 2016.  Since then he has missed 35 starts and is an unknown for 2018.  Chen has opt-outs for 2018-20...he elected to stay for 2018.   Three years and 52 M left.



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Posted 09 December 2017 - 01:03 PM

Derek the Yankee Mole is running the Marlins into the ground turning into the old Kansas City Athetics Pinstriper farm team of yore.

Sure Mr CASHman, you can have Stanton for a washed up second rate infielder and some D Grade minor league rubbish and we'll throw in 35 million bucks to sweeten the deal. Is that OK

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Posted 11 January 2018 - 09:02 AM

Derek the Yankee Mole is running the Marlins into the ground turning into the old Kansas City Athetics Pinstriper farm team of yore.

Sure Mr CASHman, you can have Stanton for a washed up second rate infielder and some D Grade minor league rubbish and we'll throw in 35 million bucks to sweeten the deal. Is that OK

Update on Captain Mediocre's Marlins.

1. Castro , the meh he got for Stanton reportedly is demanding a trade out of Miami

2. Captain Self Enrichment apparently has clauses in his contract paying him huge multi million bonuses if the Marlins turn a profit. This explains the fire sale of Stanton, Ozuna, Gordon and probably Yelich. I think his plans are to get payroll down far enough that the 50 mill MLB deal puts them over the top, despite attendance of 478 per game and he gets his bonus.

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Posted 11 January 2018 - 02:46 PM

Looking down the road, the day will come when Cashman will be gone.  Shortly after that day comes, from what ever reason,  the NYY will announce the hiring of DJ as the GM pending his departure as a minority owner of the Yankees farm team.

 

 His 2% financial stake in the Miami team will be a windfall, but of a lower priority than his post player dream job.   

 

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Posted 11 January 2018 - 06:24 PM

Update on Captain Mediocre's Marlins.

1. Castro , the meh he got for Stanton reportedly is demanding a trade out of Miami

2. Captain Self Enrichment apparently has clauses in his contract paying him huge multi million bonuses if the Marlins turn a profit. This explains the fire sale of Stanton, Ozuna, Gordon and probably Yelich. I think his plans are to get payroll down far enough that the 50 mill MLB deal puts them over the top, despite attendance of 478 per game and he gets his bonus.

 

Not in any way defending Jeter - not a former Met, don't care, but for clarity...

 

1. Castro "demanding" a trade - according to MLB.com, he requested one (as did Yelich & Realmuto by the way)

 

https://www.mlb.com/...de/c-1872048483

 

2.  Clauses in a pay structure for hitting metrics are common.  Hell, I have one.  There are two motivators, the carrot and the stick.  However, in Jeter's case, it's not like he is lacking in carrots.  His reported possible bonus is $2M in 2018, with future bonuses ranging from $1.1M to $2M.

 

https://www.cbssport...ins-profitable/

 

However, Jeter ain't hurting for pocket change.  According to this Forbes article from 2014, Jeter is estimated to have earned "$400 million: Total career earnings, including $130 million from endorsement partners like Nike’s Jordan Brand, Gatorade, Rawlings, Steiner Sports and Movado."

 

https://www.forbes.c...s/#60a1d8b56894

 

Having said that, we could not have made up a scenario where Jeter looked this bad at his job.  (Although I will admit that Stanton really scuttled Jeter's ability to make a good trade there - as was Stanton's contractual right).  It seems to me that Jeter went into this with more pride than sense.  As if he clearly didn't seem to have anyone helping him with the "spin" or on his return on trades.

 

Kind of like a guy who buys a million dollar supercar and wrecks it on the way home because he wasn't prepared to handle it.






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